7.a.1.
Planning Board Meeting 2 (4th Tuesday)
- Meeting Date:
- 08/23/2016
Information
INTRODUCTION
On July 1, 2016, In Site Engineering for Regal Land Development, Inc., applied for preliminary major plat approval for Skycrest Subdivision. The proposed plat creates 94 lots for single-family residences on a 64.31-acre parcel of land. The subject property is generally located between South 64th Street West and South 72nd Street West, north of O’Donnell Lane and south of King Avenue West. The property is outside of zoning. The Planning Board conducted a plat review at its meeting on August 9 and is conducting the public hearing at this meeting. The proposal will go to the Board of County Commissioners for action on September 13, 2016.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends that the Planning Board recommend that the Yellowstone County Board of County Commissioners conditionally approve the preliminary plat of Skycrest Subdivision and adopt the Findings of Fact as presented in the staff report.
PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
Planning staff recommends the following conditions of approval:
PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
Planning staff recommends the following conditions of approval:
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VARIANCES REQUESTED
None requested.
DISCUSSION/STAKEHOLDERS
A presentation was given to the Planning Board by staff about the proposed Skycrest Subdivision. The discussion was then opened to the Board for questions.
Board Member Dennis Cook asked about the private road tracts and how they become a County road and public. He asked if the access would ever be a problem in the future for this subdivision. Staff explained that the applicant could petition the road into the County by building it to County paved road standards. Petitioning it into the County would make it a public road and an RDIS-M could be placed on it for maintenance. If that were to take place, then the future residence would not have a problem in the future for access.
Board Member Saldivar asked who determines whether roads in a subdivision will be private of public? Staff responded that the decision is up to the developer. Board Member Bass asked why the developer wasn’t proposing to use city water and sewer instead of wells and septic systems? Staff responded that there are no services available in the area. The nearest water and sewer lines are approximately 2.5 miles away. As a follow up question, Board Member Bass asked why the development is not using the irrigation water that is available for them to use for yards? Staff responded that the question would be better addressed to the applicant because staff did not know the specifics of water shares or their use.
Board Member Goodrich asked when the surrounding neighbors would be notified of the proposed development. Staff responded that the neighbors have been notified about the proposed subdivision and that the public hearing would be on August 23rd. As a follow-up question, Board Member Goodrich asked if staff has heard from any neighbors. Staff responded that they had talked with one neighbor who had questions about sewer and water and what is the process for that to be approved.
Board Member Tunnicliff asked about the road tracts and ownership issues that are associated with the tract. He asked how someone can petition a road tract into the County when they don’t have ownership and how the process is done. Staff responded that anyone can petition a road tract into the County for acceptance if the road on the tract is to County standards. However, staff has provided additional clarification from County Legal following the August 9 meeting in the Findings of Fact and as follows:
When the County creates a petitioned County road, it accepts easements for the road right-of-way. Usually, it does not accept an ownership interest in the road right-of-way. If a property owner has filed a deed that conveys a road tract, a road right-of-way, and the County accepts the deed, the County receives an ownership interest in the road right-of-way. However, as is this situation for this subdivision, if a property owner has not filed a deed that conveys a road tract, and the County grants a petition to create a petition County road easement over the road tract, the County would receive an easement only over the road tract. The problem is that there will be no one to grant the easement to the County in this situation, so the County allows the developer to construct the road over the road tract without an easement and after five years the County would have a public prescriptive easement over the road tract for the road, making it public.
Board members had no further questions for staff and the applicant was asked if he wanted to make any comments. Dan Wells, the applicant and subdivider, addressed the Board. Mr. Wells stated that the property does have water shares but they will not be distributed out to the new home owners as he is not comfortable with home owners trying to flood irrigate inside a subdivision.
Board President Tunnicliff asked about the road and stated he does not want to create future problems for homeowners. Mr. Wells stated that they will have the road situation correct and dedicated to the public so there will not be any future issues. Mr. Wells stated that they are planning on developing the parks in the subdivision. He stated that they also want to do some development in the existing O'Donnell Park. He also wanted the future home owners to have the option of developing the existing park in the future with money collected from the subdivision through the HOA.
Mr. Wells then talked about some of the conditions. He stated that Condition 1 is not one of the best solutions for maintenance of community water systems. He said he has found that it works better to have a company that specializes in water maintenance take care of the public water system. He suggested that the condition be modified to also allow for the option to have an outside agency maintain the system.
Mr. Wells also talked about conditions 4 and 5, which require a 1 foot no access easement in two different locations along Skycrest Lane. He stated that he did not want the no access easements on these areas because many people like to buy a corner lot and have a curved driveway with a connection to both the main road and the cul-de-sac. He stated that he spoke with Mike Black with County Public Works and was told the 1 foot no access easement was not needed. Mr. Wells said he would like conditions 4 and 5 removed.
There were several question from the board to the applicant. Board Member Saldivar asked about the HOA and the water management. He asked if the HOA could collect the money and then have a third party do the maintenance on the system. Mr. Wells stated that it worked better to have a third party do the entire maintenance and not have neighbors involved in fee collection or hiring and managing a third party entity. Board Member Saldivar also asked about removing conditions 4 and 5 and a concern about safety and traffic. He stated that even though the road is not an arterial road it is still the only through road in the subdivision and will have a lot of traffic on it. He asked if there is any way that there would be a guarantee the property owners will build circular driveways and not just a single drive out onto the main road. Mr. Wells stated it could be written in the CCR’s that those lots are required to have a circular drive. There were no other questions or comments for Mr. Wells.
Board President Tunnicliff asked if staff had any other information or comments about what has been discussed. Staff responded that at the public hearing the Board could decide what conditions might be removed, modified or added. Staff stated they would contact County Public Works to get additional input on the 1 foot no access easements and if they want them to stay as a condition of final approval, or if they could be modified. It was also mentioned by staff that in some cases there have been 1 foot controlled access easements used so County Public Works could examine each case individually to determine the best solution.
Staff did follow up with County Public Works staff about the 1 foot no access easement and has provided information in the Attachment labeled ‘County Public Works Response’. County Public Works staff stated they want conditions 4 and 5 to remain as written.
Board Member Dennis Cook asked about the private road tracts and how they become a County road and public. He asked if the access would ever be a problem in the future for this subdivision. Staff explained that the applicant could petition the road into the County by building it to County paved road standards. Petitioning it into the County would make it a public road and an RDIS-M could be placed on it for maintenance. If that were to take place, then the future residence would not have a problem in the future for access.
Board Member Saldivar asked who determines whether roads in a subdivision will be private of public? Staff responded that the decision is up to the developer. Board Member Bass asked why the developer wasn’t proposing to use city water and sewer instead of wells and septic systems? Staff responded that there are no services available in the area. The nearest water and sewer lines are approximately 2.5 miles away. As a follow up question, Board Member Bass asked why the development is not using the irrigation water that is available for them to use for yards? Staff responded that the question would be better addressed to the applicant because staff did not know the specifics of water shares or their use.
Board Member Goodrich asked when the surrounding neighbors would be notified of the proposed development. Staff responded that the neighbors have been notified about the proposed subdivision and that the public hearing would be on August 23rd. As a follow-up question, Board Member Goodrich asked if staff has heard from any neighbors. Staff responded that they had talked with one neighbor who had questions about sewer and water and what is the process for that to be approved.
Board Member Tunnicliff asked about the road tracts and ownership issues that are associated with the tract. He asked how someone can petition a road tract into the County when they don’t have ownership and how the process is done. Staff responded that anyone can petition a road tract into the County for acceptance if the road on the tract is to County standards. However, staff has provided additional clarification from County Legal following the August 9 meeting in the Findings of Fact and as follows:
When the County creates a petitioned County road, it accepts easements for the road right-of-way. Usually, it does not accept an ownership interest in the road right-of-way. If a property owner has filed a deed that conveys a road tract, a road right-of-way, and the County accepts the deed, the County receives an ownership interest in the road right-of-way. However, as is this situation for this subdivision, if a property owner has not filed a deed that conveys a road tract, and the County grants a petition to create a petition County road easement over the road tract, the County would receive an easement only over the road tract. The problem is that there will be no one to grant the easement to the County in this situation, so the County allows the developer to construct the road over the road tract without an easement and after five years the County would have a public prescriptive easement over the road tract for the road, making it public.
Board members had no further questions for staff and the applicant was asked if he wanted to make any comments. Dan Wells, the applicant and subdivider, addressed the Board. Mr. Wells stated that the property does have water shares but they will not be distributed out to the new home owners as he is not comfortable with home owners trying to flood irrigate inside a subdivision.
Board President Tunnicliff asked about the road and stated he does not want to create future problems for homeowners. Mr. Wells stated that they will have the road situation correct and dedicated to the public so there will not be any future issues. Mr. Wells stated that they are planning on developing the parks in the subdivision. He stated that they also want to do some development in the existing O'Donnell Park. He also wanted the future home owners to have the option of developing the existing park in the future with money collected from the subdivision through the HOA.
Mr. Wells then talked about some of the conditions. He stated that Condition 1 is not one of the best solutions for maintenance of community water systems. He said he has found that it works better to have a company that specializes in water maintenance take care of the public water system. He suggested that the condition be modified to also allow for the option to have an outside agency maintain the system.
Mr. Wells also talked about conditions 4 and 5, which require a 1 foot no access easement in two different locations along Skycrest Lane. He stated that he did not want the no access easements on these areas because many people like to buy a corner lot and have a curved driveway with a connection to both the main road and the cul-de-sac. He stated that he spoke with Mike Black with County Public Works and was told the 1 foot no access easement was not needed. Mr. Wells said he would like conditions 4 and 5 removed.
There were several question from the board to the applicant. Board Member Saldivar asked about the HOA and the water management. He asked if the HOA could collect the money and then have a third party do the maintenance on the system. Mr. Wells stated that it worked better to have a third party do the entire maintenance and not have neighbors involved in fee collection or hiring and managing a third party entity. Board Member Saldivar also asked about removing conditions 4 and 5 and a concern about safety and traffic. He stated that even though the road is not an arterial road it is still the only through road in the subdivision and will have a lot of traffic on it. He asked if there is any way that there would be a guarantee the property owners will build circular driveways and not just a single drive out onto the main road. Mr. Wells stated it could be written in the CCR’s that those lots are required to have a circular drive. There were no other questions or comments for Mr. Wells.
Board President Tunnicliff asked if staff had any other information or comments about what has been discussed. Staff responded that at the public hearing the Board could decide what conditions might be removed, modified or added. Staff stated they would contact County Public Works to get additional input on the 1 foot no access easements and if they want them to stay as a condition of final approval, or if they could be modified. It was also mentioned by staff that in some cases there have been 1 foot controlled access easements used so County Public Works could examine each case individually to determine the best solution.
Staff did follow up with County Public Works staff about the 1 foot no access easement and has provided information in the Attachment labeled ‘County Public Works Response’. County Public Works staff stated they want conditions 4 and 5 to remain as written.
Attachments
- Proposed PLat
- Proposed Plat Phase 1 and part of 2
- Proposed Plat part of Phase 2 and all of Phase 3
- County Public Works Response
- Findings of Fact